Jean Chrtien gave U.K. government advice ahead of Scotland referendum

The prime minister who led Canada during the 1995 Quebec referendum says the U.K. governmentsought his advice during back-and-forth meetings in Ottawa and Londonover the course of the past year in preparation for Scotland's referendum Thursday.

A day after a majority of Scottish voters rejected the idea of independence in a 55 to 45 per cent vote, former Liberal prime minister Jean Chrtien told CBC Radio's The House he met with three key U.K. government officials who sought his views on the matter.

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"I discussed that a little bit with them when they came to see me. Mr. [Alistair] Carmichael and Mr. [Michael] Moore they came to see me in Ottawa andI met themtwo or three times in London,plus Mr. [Alistair]Darling,"Chrtientold host Evan Solomon in an interview scheduled to air Saturday.

Secretary of State for Scotland Michael Moore was replaced by the party's chief whip Alistair Carmichael in a cabinet shuffle last October. Alistair Darling led the No side with the Better Together campaign.

"It's always more complicated to manage the No sidethan the Yes side, because the Yes side is appealing to the heart and the nostalgia of the past and so on.And when you deal with the No, you deal with the reality of life.

"Diving into the dark might be exciting, but you have to find out if there's water in the swimming pool before diving," Chrtiensaid.

Chrtienalso told Solomon he learned that British Prime Minister David Cameron was studying his No victory speech ahead of his own patriotic pleafor unity this past week.

"My daughter told me she was at a wedding on Saturday and Prime Minister Cameron said he was working on his speech, and he had a nice speech in hand to do that."

Asked if Cameron was studying his 1995 speech,Chrtiensaid "yes."

Charest predicts another referendum

Chrtiensaid the fallout of the vote will not be easy for Cameron, who promised to give Scotlandgreater powers if it voted No.

"It's going to very complicated because they will enter into some very complex constitutional negotiations."

In a separate interview also airing Saturday on The House, former Quebec premier Jean Charest drew parallels between Scotland's referendum and the one held in Quebec in 1980, where the No side won with nearly 60 per cent of the vote.

The Better Together campaign, Charest said, adopted the slogan "No thanks"just as the federalist side in Quebec said "Non merci"during the 1980 referendum.

While then-prime minister Pierre Elliott Trudeau promised to make some changes following a win by the No side, it was not enough to satisfy Quebec's separatists.

"I think what we are seeing now happening in the U.K. is almost a total, perfect replay of what happened Canada."

Charest told Solomon he's convinced Scotland will hold another referendum in the next 10 years.

"They are not going to abandon that idea. From their perspective they've evolved from zero per cent of support all the way up to 45 per cent.

"They are so close to thegoal line, why would they stop now?"

Separatists 'a bit less cheerful'

Chrtien said Cameron's officials were diligent with their homework ahead of a vote that could have seen Scotland break from the U.K.

"They were not negligent about it at all you know, they came more than a year ago the first time."

Chrtien said he invited Liberal MP Stphane Dion to take part in at least one of those meetings.

"They asked me questions about my experience and I talked about my experience and what are the problems and what are the solutions. And we debated everything for many hours and somebody was taking notes."

I'm happy that those who sought advice from me won.- JeanChrtien, former prime minister of Canada

"One meeting in Ottawa, here, we had Mr. Dion with me. I invited Dion to come with me."

Under Chrtien's leadership, Dion sponsoredthe Clarity Act, which became law five years after the 1995 Quebec referendum establishing the conditions under which the government of Canada can enter negotiations on secession.

"We gave advice and I'm happy that those who sought advice from me won,"Chrtien said adding "the separatists did not come to me for advice.

"I'm not surprised," he said.

As for the impact of Scotland's referendum on Quebec separatists, Chrtien said those who went to Scotland to witness a historic vote must have flown back "a bit less cheerful."

Parti Qubcois MNAs, including media mogul and PQ leadership hopeful Pierre Karl Pladeau, went on a fact-finding mission to Scotland earlier this week.

WhileChrtienmay have been keen to share his views on the 1995 referendumwith U.K. officials, he told Canadian journalists Chantal Hbert and Jean Lapierre in their recent bookThe Morning After he preferred to keep his post-referendum cards close to his chest.

"I had a number of cards that I ended up not having to play. I do not like to discuss them. There would have been quite a number of options at my disposal in the event of a Yes vote. But I wasted no time on them. That would have been for later if needed."

CBC Radio's The House airs Saturdays on CBC Radio One at 9 a.m. and on SiriusXM Ch. 169.