Papal apology for church's role in residential schools may not be 'way forward': archbishop

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Cardinal Thomas Collins, the archbishop of Toronto, said Sunday that a "dramatic" step such asa formal apology from the Pope is perhaps not the best route forward in grappling with the Catholic Church's role in Canada's residential school system.

"I'm sure there will be further contact with the Holy Father, but I don't know whether seeking always some big and dramatic thing is really the way forward. I think step by step is better and working with other people," Collins said in an interview onRosemary Barton Live.

"I think that the much more important thing is the day-to-day work, quietly, gently," he toldCBC chief political correspondent Rosemary Barton.

Following a meeting with two Canadian cardinals on Saturday, Pope Francis spoke from his studio in St. Peter's Square, saying, "May the political and religious authorities of Canada continue to collaborate with determination to shed light on that sad story and humbly commit themselves to a path of reconciliation and healing."

But the pontiff stopped short of a formal or full apology for the church's role in operating many residential schools in the country.

The renewed push for a formal apology comes after the Tk'emlps te Secwpemc First Nation in British Columbia announced on May 27 the discovery of what it believes to be the remains of an estimated 215 children buried in unmarked siteson the grounds of the former Kamloops Indian Residential School.

Collins saidhebelieves the apologies made by individual Catholic bishops in Canada were "very, very important." Over the past week, several Catholic groups have made formal apologies for the church's role, including the archbishops for Vancouver and Regina.

The head of a conference of Catholic organizations also made a formal apology in 1991. Collins also noted a 2009 statement by Pope Benedict XVI in which he expressed "sorrow" over the suffering of residential school students.

Fight for school records

The issue of access to records also continues to be a sticking point, with Indigenous leaders and researchers noting that school records are needed to identify the remains of any children discovered. Prime Minister Justin Trudeau specifically called Friday for any documents to be handed over. Rev.Ken Thorson, leader of the Missionary Oblates of Mary Immaculate, which administered the Kamloops school, said his order was working to digitize and transfer any records ithad.

But Collins said Sunday that Trudeau's remarks were "extremely unhelpful" and possibly "misinformed."

"No one that I know of is trying to hide records. If anyone is, they shouldn't," Collins said, downplaying the idea that the Vatican itself has any additional records.

Phil Fontaine, a former national chief of the Assembly of First Nations, told Barton that he believed the Vatican did hold records and that theystill remained to be transferred in Canada. Fontaine met in 2009 with Pope Benedict in Rome and led negotiations on the residential schools legal settlement.

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Phil Fontaine, former national chief of the Assembly of First Nations and a residential school survivor, told CBC chief political correspondent Rosemary Barton that he strongly believes there should be an apology from the Pope and the Vatican for the Catholic Church's role in running many of Canada's residential schools.

Canada's minister of Crown-Indigenous relations, Carolyn Bennett, echoed Fontaine'sview, countering Collins'scommentthat he didn't think there were hidden or unreleased records.

"That is not my understanding," she told Barton. "I think that we still believe there are documents within the Catholic Church, and whether it's the oblates or Vancouver diocese,people are saying that there are things that they would like to present now to the National Centre forTruth and Reconciliation.

"I also think that the cardinal needs to be part of the process," Bennett said.

Fontainesaidhe believed that an apology from the Pope was still "entirely possible" and that there was likely work going on behind the scenes among Canadian bishops to make that happen.

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Minister of Crown-Indigenous Relations Carolyn Bennett told CBC's chief political correspondent, Rosemary Barton, that she believes there are still documents on residential schools that should be released by the Catholic Church and presented to the National Centre for Truth and Reconciliation.

Reconciliation will take generations,Sinclair says

Following the tragedy in Kamloops, Fontaine said, it'simportant that Canadians finally begin to believe what Indigenous people have said about the residential school system.

"Canadians should have believed us. They had an obligation and a responsibility to do so," Fontainesaid. Hecalled for renewed co-operation between Canadian governments, the church and the Indigenous community going forward.

"If that co-operation doesn't work, there will be even darker days ahead."

Former senator Murray Sinclair, whochaired the Truth and Reconciliation Commission, said a formal apology from the Catholic Churchneeded to be the first step in a reconciliation process that would be taken seriously.

"Right now, they want to go straight to redemption," he said.

Sinclair said that the process of reconciliation would be slow, echoing his sentiments from when the TRC report was released six years ago.

"Establishing a respectful relationship between Indigenous and non-Indigenous people might take us several generations, because it took us several generations to destroy that," he said.

Support is available for anyone affected by their experience at residential schoolsand those who are triggered by the latest reports.

A national Indian Residential School Crisis Line has been set up to provide support for former students and those affected. People can access emotional and crisis referral services by calling the 24-hour national crisis line: 1-866-925-4419.