Munk leaders' debate: Harper, Trudeau battle over bill to revoke citizenship

Testy exchanges between Conservative Leader Stephen Harper and Liberal Leader Justin Trudeau over legislation that can strip citizenship of those convicted of terrorism-related offences marked one of the heated moments during Monday night's debate on foreign policy.

While Harper and Trudeau may have had the sharpest exchanges of the night, NDP Leader TomMulcairunleashed a number of barbs at the two leaders.

The two-hourdebate, held in Toronto and hosted by Munk Debates, covered a number of foreign policy issues, including Canada's ISIS mission, the Syrian refugee crisisand anti-terrorism legislation.

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Harper'srecord was the focus of attacks for most of the evening. But it was the issue of Bill C-24 that sparked the liveliest verbal confrontation in the debate, which was mostly void of the typical exchanges of prior contests in whichleaders frequentlytalkedover one another.

Dubbed theStrengthening Canadian Citizenship Act, Bill C-24 introduced amendments to the Citizenship Act thatallowadual national to be stripped of citizenship if convicted of offences related to spying, treason or terrorism.

Trudeau said the Liberal Party was worried that the first response by the governmentagainst individualsconvictedof certaincrimes was not to keep them in jail, but that they be subject to a two-tiered citizenship. Trudeau said it's worrisome and a slippery slope, that a prime minister has the ability to revoke citizenship for people.

The Conservativegovernment announcedSaturdaythat it revoked the citizenship ofZakaria Amara, a member of the so-called Toronto 18 bomb plot groupsentenced to life in prison in 2010.

Harper shot back at Trudeauthat Canada has already revoked citizenship of war criminals.

"Why would we not revoke the citizenship of people convicted of terrorist offences of this country?" Harper asked.

"A Canadian is a Canadian is a Canadian," Trudeau responded. "And you devalue the citizenship of every Canadian in this place and in this country when you break down and make itconditional for anybody."

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A back and forth between the two leaders ensued, with Trudeau insisting that those types of individuals, regardless of their crimes, should stay in jail.

"This country has every right to revoke the citizenship of an individual like that," Harper said.

TrudeauandMulcair havevowed to repeal the Citizenship Act amendments made under Harper.

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On the issue ofISIS, Harper defended Canada's military mission, whichinvolvesairstrikes and training local ground troops. Harper said that ISIS uncheckedhas the potential to slaughter millions, and if left unchallenged it wouldset up terrorist base camps in Iraq and Syria that could threaten Canada.

"We have a very clear reason for being there. Why we would abandonthis mission is a question that goes begging," Harper said.

Mulcair, who has said his government would bring back all the troops from the Iraq mission,said morethan 60 countries are involved in themission, but only 12 involved in combat and that Canada did not have to be one of those 12. Mulcair said the NDP is not opposed to all combat missions, butit "is important to remember that this is not a NATO mission. This is not a United Nations mission," he said.

"When your only tool is a hammer, all problems resemble nails."

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Trudeau suggested that Harper never met a military mission in the Middle East he didn'tlike, including supporting the 2003 Iraq invasion. But he also rejected Mulcair's approach, saying he doesn't wantto be in any fight.

Instead,Canadians shouldbe focused on training local forces so they can defeat ISIS on the ground, he said.

Syrian refugees

Harper fended off accusationsthat his government has lagged in the admission ofmore Syrian refugees.

Trudeausaid the problem is there's no political will from the Conservativesand cited past Canadiangovernments, including that of Progressive Conservative prime minister Joe Clark, who had taken in thousands of refugees.

But Harper arguedthat security concerns must be weighedand that Canada has not "opened the floodgates,"unlikeother European countries that are now reconsidering those decisions.

Harper said that a refugee policy needed to be about more than just "chasing headlines."

This promptedMulcairto chastise Harper for saying that those trying to help the most needy of the earth were "somehow chasing headlines."

"Ifindthatdisrespectful.It'sdisrespectfulto Canadiansand Canadianvalues."

Bill C-51

The issue of BillC-51, the controversial anti-terrorism legislation that gives more powers to Canada's security forces like CSIS,led to apointed exchangebetween Trudeau, who supported the bill, and Mulcair, who opposed it.The Liberal leader accused Mulcair of flip-flopping on the issue three times, saying he has wanted to change, repeal and now scrap entirely the legislation.

Trudeau said his party struckthe right balance of wanting to protect security while protectingrights and freedoms, and that his government would add more parliamentary oversight.

"Whenyouhave conviction, youhave to have the courage of those convictions," Mulcair said.

"You voted for that,Mr. Trudeau. I stood on a question of principle. I am not afraid ofStephen Harper: I voted against Bill C-51."

Harper responded: "The threat we face today is not CSIS, it's ISIS."

Keystone XL pipeline

Both Mulcair and Trudeau said Harper has caused Canada-U.S. relations to deteriorate, with Trudeau saying Harper has narrowed the entire relationship with the U.S. to a single point around the Keystone XL pipeline.

The NDP leader accusedHarper ofbungling the Keystone pipeline file bytelling U.S.President Barack Obama that supporting the project was a"complete no-brainer."

"It's not a surprise they are saying no," Mulcair said.

Harper, who said he has a great relationship with Obama,turned the issue back to the military mission againstISIS,saying a unilateral withdrawalfrom it would be far moredamaging to Canada-U.S. relations.

"If you want to poison the relationship, that would be the wayto do it," Harper said.

But the debate was not all policy.At one point,Trudeauinvokedthe memory of his father, who died 15 years to the date, accusingthe other two leaders of taking shots at the former prime minister.

"Let me say I'm incredibly proud to be Pierre ElliottTrudeau'sson, and I'm incredibly proud to be raised by those values,"Trudeausaid.

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