'He was just trying to brag,' says Toronto cop who went after CRA scammer

Like many Canadians, KeithTauro has been plagued by a Canada Revenue Agency (CRA) phone scam, getting voicemail messages from someone pretending to be a CRA investigator saying that he owed the government money.

Unlike many Canadians, Tauro is also a police officer a constable who has been with the Toronto Police Service for 10 years.

He got a call from the scammers on Aug. 15; his father-in-law had received one just the week before. So he decided to put his skills as a veteran officer to use in his time off, and try to learn more about thecalls.

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He bought a so-called burner phone to call the scammers back.He used a different name every time he phoned, and his primary objective, he told CBC News, was to tie up the scammers'lines. "Because if you're on the phone with me," Tauro says, "you're not taking money from someone else."

And then, on Aug. 17, he got a scammer willing to dish about his business.

They spent about 15 minutes on the phone, chatting. Tauro recorded the call. "I think it was just him bragging. He was just trying to brag, to say this is what I can do."

100 calls a minute

CBC News listened to that recording. In it, the scammer describes his process in some detail. He says he is in North Carolina, and the profits of the scam are split between the three organizers; he claims hecan make $30,000 or $50,000 a month.

The way the scam works, the man at the other end of the phone explains, is usingauto-diallers which can reach up to 100 people per minute, and leave the voicemail messages. About 30salaried staffers (who may or may not understand exactly what's going on)answer the phones when people whobelieve the messagesto be legitimate call back and tellthe callers how much they owe an amount one of the organizers makes up.

Tauro has no idea how much of what the man said is true. But he does know people are receiving themessages, and it's thatelement that concerns him.

"When you're doing that, you're sort of guaranteed that most of the people calling you back are the ones that you can scam," Tauro says. "You've completed most of the work by just auto-dialling and leaving a message, cause who would call you back? Someone who is more likely to be scammed."

Preventing more victims

Both local and national authorities told CBC News they receive multiple reports about the CRA scam every day, and describe it as an ongoing concern.

Tauro says he's passed his information along to his colleagues in Toronto Police fraud unit.And after seeing a CBC News report on the same scam and a woman who talked one of the callers into admitting it was all a ploy Tauro also decided to talk about his experience publicly.

"That conversation had information," Tauro says of the call he recorded, but it's more to do with the character of the people involved than the specifics the man provided, such as his location. Nailing those details down would require aformal police investigationand take time.

"But for today, I don't want people to be defrauded ... I want potential victims to not turn into actual victims."

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