Stephen McNeil's meeting with premier-turned-lobbyist draws fire

A year ago, Nova Scotia Premier Stephen McNeiland one of his senior advisers sat down to breakfast at Halifax's Marriott HarbourfrontHotel with representatives from the Aerospace Industries Association of Canada, a gathering arranged and hosted by former Quebec premier and one-time deputy prime minister Jean Charest.

Charest lobbies on the group's behalf. The private meeting coincided with a national aerospace industry effort called Vision 2025,a campaign Charestnotedwaspart of his lobbying activities on the federal government's lobbyist registryin November2018.

The Aerospace Industries Association of Canadamade no secret of the Feb. 13, 2019, meeting, touting it in a news release issued the same day.

Butthe leader of Nova Scotia's NDP, Gary Burrill, is concerned it is another example of McNeil'sdisregard for Nova Scotia's law on lobbying.

Although Charest is registered federally, he has not registered as a lobbyist in Nova Scotia.

"Meeting with lobbyists who fail to register as lobbyists and not paying any attention to whether or not they have properly registered as lobbyists, that's not holding the standard of conduct to the government up very high," said Burrill.

In 2018,McNeil faced similar condemnation after he metformer prime minister Jean Chrtien,a vocal supporter of the plan to establish a container port facility at the harbour in Sydney, N.S.

Although Chrtien hadpublicly stated he would be meetingMcNeil to talk about the project, the premier denied the subject came up during their face-to-face meeting.

"We talked about economic development,"McNeilsaid at the time. "We talked about what it was like to be from a large family. We continued to share stories about that, butI can assure you there was actually no lobby."

Chrtien ignored subsequent attempts by Nova Scotia's registrar of lobbyists to clarify what happened during the meeting on March 21, 2018.

An investigation by the RCMPconcluded there wasno evidence Chrtienlobbied McNeilor Business Minister Geoff MacLellanduring that closed-door meeting in the premier's office.

Nova Scotia's Lobbyists' Registration Act is similar to federal legislation when it comes to defining lobbying, and both make it clear that setting up a meeting falls within that definition.

"'Lobby'means to communicate with a public-office holder in an attempt to influence; to arrange a meeting between a public-office holder and any other person," states the provincial legislation.

A spokesperson for Charest said he met with McNeillast year to "have his insight on the Canadian aerospace industry." McNeil's policy advisor, Ted Aubut, was also at the meeting, according to emails.

The finer details of what was talked about aren't clear, butthe premier's office prepared a several-page briefing note, a partially redacted version of which was obtained by the NDP,to make sure he was up to speed on the industry.

Alley Adams, a communicationsmanager for McCarthy Ttrault, the law firm Charest works for, denied he was lobbying.

"Those communications were not intended to influence Premier McNeil with respect to any of the subject matters listed in the Nova Scotia lobbying act," Adams wrote in a email to CBC News. "As such, no registration was required in the Nova Scotia lobbyists registry."

Burrill takesan opposite view.

"I don't know on what planet it wouldn't be considered as lobbying," he said. "That's what lobbying is.

"Person who is working for an economic, financial or industrial interest and tries, on their behalf, to influence the government. Makes contacts, has breakfast and bends their ear. That's what lobbying is."

'Engagement days'

Charest'sfederalregistration includes a description of the Vision 2025 lobbying activities. It says the campaign will "convene industry leaders, educators, government representatives, and members of the public to share their expertise, vision and ambitions for the future of the aerospace sector.

"This will include engagement days in several cities with strong aerospace presence. Vision 2025 will culminate in a report and recommendations that reflect input gathered from the industry-led discussions, and will provide recommendations to spur growth in the aerospace sector."

The Halifax meeting with McNeil took place as one of the "engagementdays."

McNeildenies he did anything wrong by agreeing to meet with Charest and his clients. As for the fact Charest is not registered to lobby in Nova Scotia, the premier said that was Charest's responsibility.

"It is up to the person to register,"said McNeil."It's not up to the premier to register them."

McNeil also said it was not his job to determine whether those who lobby him comply with the law.

"I don't ask people who come for the meetings whether they are registered or not," he said.

Burrill finds that attitude troubling.

"This is an even greater concern because here he's saying that in fact he doesn't care whether the person was registered or not," he said.

"Well, I don't know whose responsibility it is to see that the business of government is carried out at the level of an ethical standard, within a level of acceptable integrity, if it's not to the business of the premier of the province."

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